saying whatever deal on the debt ceiling has to have tax loopholes closed. speaker boehner brought the 800 billion in loop whole closures in the beginning of the fiscal cliff negotiation that should be a part of this deal. despite the fact that the president wanted rate increase on the fiscal deal and that's all they want. >> you can see the democrats and white house believe they have the argument in their back pocket. they offered once they can call on it again if they are going to concede on any spending cuts. none have been discussed at least in the short term are going to solve the problem. the only way you solve the problem is by structural entitlement reform. you have to change the trajectory. it is not 50 billion from defense spending there. it would have an impact in our capability in context with the military but the only way you get serious and change the trajectory of the debt is to have entitlement reform. >> what does that take? we are europe and finally we have to do something about it? >> i think charles's point this is a president who wouldn'